And what does that mean? No, seriously, Mr. Talking Point Repeater, what does "win" mean? We have no exit strategy, so I don't even know what Bush envisions a "win" being. Not one single one of his reasons for invading have borne fruit, so why are we there in the first place? He had no WMD and we had no evidence that he did in the final analysis. So we had no reason to invade because of any threat from Iraq. He had no ties to al-Qaeda and, in fact, our invasion is what BROUGHT al-Qaeda in there in the first place. So in terms of fighting terrorism the invasion was a disaster from the start and the best we EVER could do is establish the status quo that existed before we entered: a near lack of al-Qaeda presence. Deposing Hussein was a late excuse for invading and, of course, we did that. So...I gues if you limited your claim of "winning" to that one small goal, then we already won and should get out. If we wanted to establish democracy then we sure had better define what we mean. So far they have had an election and no one, even we, seem satisfied with it. The fact that democracy in Iraq is very likely to elect a fundamenalist Shi'a regime may temper our enthusiasm for democracy if we are not careful. Are you prepared for democracy to bring in an ally to Iran? Because that is a likely end point of this "democracy" excuse.

So why are we there in the first place, Mr. Blind Faith in Republican Memes? What is our exit strategy? Since Bush lied repeatedly about the former and has never defined the latter, I don't see how you would recocgnize a "win" if it bit you in the ass. So do you want to define these for me? Or are you as clueless as Bush regarding just why we are in Iraq in the first place?

As for Wussing out, I would love to see you accuse Webb or Murtha to their face that they are wussing out. I bet you wouldn't even have the guts to face them, let alone accuse them.