Reporting on Al Gore Doesn't Win Friends on the Left

In Response to Michael Bouldin's Comments at MyDD.

Cross-posted at the Francis L. Holland Blog.

You asserted at MyDD that I had attempted to ingratiate myself with readers of DailyKos by writing a discussion of Karl Rove. You would have to have participated in our previous conversations there to understand that the whole essay to which you referred was really an elaborate criticism of Al Gore, a DailyKos favorite, without ever mentioning his name. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/17/92621/866

You see, in my research I learned, first of all, that Al Gore had never graduated from law school or divinity school, arguably because he admittedly spent at least some of the time getting high, smoking marijuana.

Al Gore has never explained at all why he failed to graduate from both divinity school and law school after two years of trying. (You can read my essays on this at DailyKos, and the citations within, and decide if you think I'm right or not.) I wrote quite a lot about this at DailyKos, which is the reason that "NeuvoLiberal" negatively rated so many of my diaries and comments. She was tired of my criticisms of Al Gore, whom she adores.

Anyway, as I was researching Karl Rove's life for a comparison of him and Hillary Clinton (something else that endeared me to no one), I realized that Karl Rove and Al Gore had something important in common: both of them had dropped out of degree programs without obtaining the degrees which they had sought.

In the article that you referred to as an attempt at ingratiating myself with DailyKos readers, many of whom adore Al Gore, I speculated that the Iraq Civil War was caused partly by Rove starting and perpetuating the Iraq War as a political issue to use domestically, which is not a controversial view at DailyKos. What WAS predictably controversial was my assertion that if Rove had stayed in college and graduated he might have been more prepared to grasp the complexities of the Iraq situation.

Anybody who had read my previous articles about Al Gore understood that this was a criticism of Al Gore, and also an assertion that Al Gore's failure to finish graduate school might have drastic and unforeseen consequences were he elected President of the United States. As such, the essay you referred was hardly an attempt at ingratiating myself; it was the final straw in infuriating the pro-Gore crowd at DailyKos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15/181824/78

They think it is irrelevant that Gore spent so much time inebriated during his undergraduate education and then through two unsuccessful years of law and divinity school, and he consequently never obtained a law degree, never passed the bar and never practiced law.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15/181824/78

I, however, believe that in a meritocratic society where educational attainment is highly valued and often considered to be necessary, it HAS to be relevant that Barack Obama was the magna cum laude Editor of the Harvard Law Review while Gore did not graduate from law school at all. I simply couldn’t accept the argument that Gore was more qualified and so I insisted on reviewing his qualifications, even at the risk of angering his supporters. This is the argument and the subtext of the essay you read, and this was mentioned in the comments to that DailyKos essay. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15/181824/78

I still think it is remarkable that most people don't know that Al Gore never completed law or divinity school, even after two years of trying, and even having all of the benefits of a patrician background, and even though his own mother graduated from the law school at which he failed. If a Black person or a woman had the same background, would all of us be willing to ignore it? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15/181824/78

Or would we, more likely, conclude that it was a fatal flaw that bespoke of a weak character and or some sort of social dysfunction? Illegally smoking marijuana AND subsequently failing to graduate from TWO graduate programs at Vanderbilt University, even though he had all of the benefits of a patrician family, with a father who was a US Senator, and even though Al Gore’s mother graduated from the same Vanderbilt University law school from which he failed to graduate. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15/181824/78

People at DailyKos were furious with me because I argued that Al Gore had been a beneficiary of a sort of affirmative action for wealthy white men, when he was elected to the US House of Representatives immediately after failing to graduate from law school. Are there any examples of women and minorities receiving the same benefits of what surely could have been substantial and reasonable doubt?

As for citations for the above explosive assertions, they are all provided in a meticulously researched essay I submitted at DailyKos, entitled, “Al Gore, What Happened in Graduate School?” http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15/181824/78

I explored the same topic in another diary entitled, “Crashing the White Male Supremacy Paradigm”, in which I argued that “Al Gore’s Career Success is a Triumph of the American White Male Supremacy Paradigm”. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/13/17134/488

It would certainly be outrageous to say these things about Al Gore if they were not true. I refer you and all readers to the essays cited herein, which include copious and meticulous citations that prove every explosive and inflammatory fact cited above. In fact, when readers at DailyKos could not disprove any of the facts included here, they said instead that they were irrelevant and should never have been reported in the first place. I disagree.

You will note that I have not accused Al Gore personally of a skin-color-aroused animosity or of being a "white supremacist" in the conventional sense. What I have asserted here and elsewhere is something Blacks and women know intuitively and powerfully: People who are not white and male have to do much more to get ahead, and cannot afford to fail as others do and still succeed.

I know some people will think this is "old news", or irrelevant. But how can we determine who is the "best person for the job" if we are unwilling to explore the academic failures of white men who are applicants? If Barack Obama had failed law school at Harvard, (instead of graduating magna cum laude), THAT would be considered interesting and relevant in everybody's book.

So, as you can see, the article you mentioned was anything but an attempt to ingratiate myself with the Gore supporters at DailyKos. Instead, it manifested my determination to explore, report and interpret the truth about a potential presidential candidate in the context of America, regardless of the consequences of doing so. Knowing that others at DailyKos were working to banish me from that blog, I refrained for a day from explicity criticizing Al Gore by name, but that can hardly be considered an attempt at ingratiating myself with readers there.


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Well...

I wonder what your purpose is to focus on this.

First off, what is your original source for these accusations? I don't want to go sifting through your old dKos diaries to find the ultimate source. Has this accusation been demonstrated to be true or is it mere rumor? Does it come from a right wing propoganda site? I know I could probably find it by sifting through your old diaries but I am asking as a favor that you reveal your source here.

Are you saying Gore has lied about his qualifications?

This information really is only relavent if Gore has misrepresented his qualifications. Please let us know when he did this so we can know if this information is relavent. Our own Congresswoman, Yvette Clarke, infamously lied about her education blatantly...as is our hew mother Una Clarke (calling herself a "doctor"). Has Gore done the equivalent>

Do you feel that Al Gore is unqualified?

Al Gore is amply accomplished. Arguably moreso than Hillary. He has experienced war, though as a correspondent for the army. He has served in government on multiple levels. He is extremely well respected internationally, something we could use in the White House. Now I have never heard the same being said about Hillary, but it could well be true. One can argue that BOTH Hillary AND Gore have experienced what it is like to be in the White House and would bring that experience back to the White House. But if Al Gore is unqualified to serve in the White House, then I don't think you can claim Hillary is.

Are you saying Gore is not smart?

I have heard him speak and he is extremely intelligent. He wowed an audience with a 90 min. slide show on global warming. I saw that slide show with 2 climate scientists. They were impressed. He brings intelligence to everything he does.

Are you saying Gore couldn't win because of this?

Al Gore is not exactly a neophyte to politics. He was VP and effectively won election in 2000, requiring the intervention of Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court to appoint Bush. So to SOME degree this is irrelavent except as an attempt to detract from one of Hillary's most direct competitors, should he wish to enter the race.

So, I am unclear your point here.

As to the dope smoking, big deal? I know recovered Heroin addicts in grad school. Bill Clinton smoked pot, and you KNOW he inhaled. A former colleague of mine, accomplished physician and scientist, did extensive drugs in his youth. So what? I don't necessarily advocate doing illegal drugs, but past use doesn't rule someone out from accomplishment.


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This is ridiculous

Gore didn't finish divinity school because he decided he didn't want to be a theologian. It is not uncommon for one to be in school learning a particular field and then decide that field is not for you. Similarly, he did not finish law school he decided he had no desire to be a lawyer. It was not what he was passionate about. I think it speaks more to his strengths that Gore was able to think independently and make his own decisions about his life, and not be forced down particular trails by societal explanations. Also since you were not in school with him, you have no way of knowing whether he was drinking excessively. Its a moot point anyway, because many of our greatest presidents were heavy drinkers. Read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on Franklin Roosevelt, FDR drank heavily throughout his presidency and also kept a mistress. This did not make him a bad president. More presidents in U.S. history have probably been drinkers than teetotalers. So your thesis is without merit.


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Response

(I apologize to the reader aforehand for any typos in this comment resulting from my not proofreading it thoroughly)

Hello FLH,

I have accidentally happened upon this post. Clearly, you have left me with no choice but to respond bacause of your references to me.

I wrote quite a lot about this at DailyKos, which is the reason that "NeuvoLiberal" negatively rated so many of my diaries and comments. She was tired of my criticisms of Al Gore, whom she adores.

You know what Francis? I think that you're a talented and passionate individual, but it is appalling that you are wasting your time and that of others with your impertinent criticisms of Al Gore.

Secondly, as any trusted user (TU) at Daily Kos can verify, I have not troll-rated any of your latest 30 comments (all of which have been troll-rated into becoming hidden comments):

In the total of 500 or so troll ratings you've received in the list above, only 5 of them were from me (i.e. following the first 30 comments). Therefore, your singling out of me here is unfounded.

Next, you claim "She was tired of my criticisms of Al Gore, whom she adores". You're right in that I was and still continue to be tired of utterly unproductive and pointless discussion.

No, I do not "adore" Al Gore. I respect and admire his work, vision, experience, and basic decency.

You have also linked to my diaries apparently as a proof of my "adoration" sinde the reader will find several Gore related diaries. However, if it isn't obvious, many of my Gore related diaries come in response to unfair and unreasonable attacks on Gore such as those by you. In other words, your "proof" is a self-fulfilling hypothesis.

As for the content of your criticism, here are the facts, in brief: Gore left law school to run for US house, started out as an underdog for the nomination, but went onto win that and the general election. His father had already lost his Senate bid in TN (one of the main reasons for which was his support for civil rights. You should remember that as a southern Democrat, it took great courage on his part to stand up to do the right thing).

I have timed this response, and it has taken well over an 1 hour of my time. One hour of an utter waste of time.

It's grotesquely shameful that you continue to waste your talents and time on this, FLH, and in the process, force others into wasting their time as well.


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Francis Holland's own prejudices

Since Francis uses the race card at will and often, it is helpfull to be aware of his own prejudices as well. Here is one example where his prejudice directed at Chileans can be seen:

The one and only IQ specialist who believes in this particular theory lives in Chile?

Well, Chile's a great country, but I think this "specialist" has been drinking to much "chicha"!

by francislholland on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:40:43 AM PST

(the original comment is hidden since it was troll-rated out. TU's at DKos can verify the comment, as usual).


mole333's picture

Not a waste at all!

It got you over here and I hope you will take a look around and perhaps participate. Although we are quite willing to have Holland post his views (and criticize them) this site is much more than him and I suspect you would find a comfortable spot here to discuss whatever you like. As you can see from some of my recent diaries Al Gore is well respected here and global warming is a topic of considerable interest. So welcome and please stay awhile.


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