Cry me a river

I found a copy of this post but after further consideration, I have decided to re-write it.

I think it is the first time in the six years I have been publishing on this site that I have decided to yank an article off the net. It's only because of the tone that I have decided to go into major re-write mode. There's a lot of things I feel are absolutely important to discuss not just because they are pertinent to Nubian's complaints but to similar comments and rants privately shared with me by other bloggers as well as concerns by people in the conferences I gave these past few weeks.

I will definitely keep the gist : don't blog to change the world, blog to make a difference.


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Lorraine's picture

ouch

I think it's tough being a writer, period. And I think that those of us who write about "marginal" issues--like, when did race, gender, and class get to be marginal?--anyway, there's a constant tension between the writer parts of ourselves, which can thrive on the ego of getting lots of readers, and the writer part of ourselves that just has to tell the truth that is rumbling around in there. Ultimately, for me, the latter writer self wins. I can't not write. I can't not blog.

Liza, I'm beyond grateful to be part of this community. This is my home. I have so much respect for all that you do. You've earned the right to rant. So rant on, MacDuff. I'll follow you.


sea's picture

following you

I'll follow you and Lorraine. And what I see as a reaching out on your part to Black Academic. I'm beginning to get a picture, just beginning, of what this is all about here at culturekitchen. I am deeply grateful to get to join this. Thanks!


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Re: Cry me a river

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Lab

Duh. thought I was logged in!

Hey Liza,

I interpreted Nubian (kortney) much differently.

1. they have been building a radical woman of color community.

2. they started a Radical WoC Carnival

3. As they gained more attention from the WoC Carnival, the found nothing but silence for the most part.

--silence in terms of few people staying on the topic in the threads that were generated at big blogs, if they were generated at all.

-- lots of people visiting a blog, once a large feminist blogger lnked to it, but no one joining the conversation (I cut people a lot of slack for this. Studies show that only about 5% of internet users participatr on email lists. The rest lurk. You can see just from looking at open sitemeter traffic that that's a healthy percentage for a blog. Most, I'd say, get 2-3% of visitors discussing anything in comments.

-- in general, a lack of orientation to the issues that this particular group of radical women of color feel are important. (e.g., I devoted a lot of space to criticizing Ariel Levy's book recently which, on a superficial look, does appear to be a very 'white' concern. Thus, my own blog, which while I don't make it a big point of patting myself on the back about it, is what's called "ally work." without making it explicit how I saw my critiques of levy as connected to critiques of racism and classism and gender essentialism, then it was easily misinterpreted as white girl fluff.

Anyway, there are some points to be made and I've made them a bit in comments at blackademic.blogspot.com. However, I have to agree that there is a bit of myopia that can't be attributed solely to lack of time etc. when it comes to very large feminist blogs such as pandagon, alas, and feministe.

I understand what you are doing and I support it wholeheartedly. I think the only way to fight the artificial construction of scarcity, as well as the very real scarcities of time and resources, is building community -- which is what you are doing.

And, I hope you'll take this in the spirit it's offered, constructive (I hope) feedback:

1. It's rather difficult to figure out what culture kitchen is about. I'm a member or contributor or something, but I find navigating the site rather a pain. I'm a skilled web designer and I've even skinned drupal sites. I swim on the internet like a fish in the ocean, test software, and write about linux packages. If I'm finding the site difficult, imagine what it's like for a blogger, some of whom (as one woman wrote recently), dont' even know how to run Blogger software.

Please understand that as someone with the same economic struggles as you have and total lack of time (I read you, I know the time constraints you're under), I don't personally blame you. I know you'd do whatever you hd to in 2 seconds flat to make sure that people could join this community.

This may be why folks didn't really know you were around, what to make of the site, and how to navigate it. Hell, I couldn't figure out how to post a comment for a while and, like I said, I ain't no dummy about technology. Smiling

2. The site doesn't have the look and feel of a blog that's political which was what folks were looking for.

Now, I know from reading you, you want to redefine what political means in the first place.

But, you can see how someone would see the name and see the design and think -- not really radical, etc?

That's just an offhand thought.

BUT, you make a good point when you say that you're already building a community with the tools right here.

Why didn't anyone in the discussion know about you? Why, of course, because the internet is HUGE. Who has time to learn where everyone is and what everyone's doing and really dig into their site and read.

It's what I've kind of been railing on too: there's a structured inequality built in the place, just on the basis of our lack of time and resources.

And, here I am taking up more of your time.

Big hugs. I hope we can all work this out. I think constructive criticism is great. Assertiveness is a great thing. Nothing like the *cringing* and tippy toeing around that people so often do to shut a conversation down. But I kind of worry that nubian, blogging with the assumption that only those already in the know were reading, just left out important context because, well, everyone knew what she was talking about, which really wasn't about her writer's desire to have her ego fed.

Not at all.


Hissy Cat's picture

wtf

Couldn't you have told Liza whatever you needed to tell her about web design in an email, since it is of absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand? I don't see any reason why this would be an appropriate place for your weird and condescending evaluation.

Liza, not that it needs saying, but I find Culture Kitchen to be very elegantly designed and easily navigated.


TMJ's picture

Fighting Amongst Ourselves

I don't know why Hissy Cat is hissing, but I found the comment before hers addressing Liza & Kortney very amicable. It was respectful of both parties, unlike yours, Cat. Today was my first day at Culture Kitchen and I don't know what the hell is going on here! Is it many blogs rolled into one? Dunno. I am not a master programmer, but I can work a little bit of software...and this is confusing to me...I consider myself average so I can imagine what others are going through. Is that the issue? Blog Design? I thought it was more about being marginalized as a blogger by other bloggers. I only stopped by to check out the debate between the two parties, and find that both participants are intelligent with valid points. So. I'm sorry, what was the original complaint? I know Kortney's (Nubian at Blackademic) but what was the other side upset about? Can't we simply agree to disagree and push on? We gotta lotta work to do! I mean, Bush is still in office! Impeachment anyone?


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A challenge

It took about 24-36 months for a lot of the top blogs to get noticed. I've been around writing on the net 6 years, blogging for 4.

Without a lot of money for PR and marketing, don't expect to make a big splash. I'm not being cynical. I'm being realistic.

Carnivals are a great start but for forging communities of blogs and extending your network, you're going to need more than just a monthly link list and the ocassional "goodbye cruel blogosphere" post. You need to linkback, trackback, comment as well as email, IM and plain old meetup and face to face, aggressively, for a year, maybe more.

That's how conversations are started. Needless to say, that's how they evolve.

As to the design, if you've truly themed and/or skinned a Drupal site, submit a whole theme. Spend the 25-40 hours it takes to design a site. In the case of this one, if you think the blocks (columns on the right) are a problem, submit a site architecture plan. The only caveats :

(1) The logos nor the font are non-negotiable.
(2) You cannot use the design for another site.
(3) It would be added to the 4 design people can choose from at the moment but it would not be the default ... unless it is really, truly, something spectacular.

So please, don't just wow me ... wow us all.

It's.

That.

Simple.

Want to take the challenge?


nubian's picture

Cry me a river

you still missed my point. it's ok though. we obviously have different goals in blogging.

peace


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